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Topic of the Week 1--The Century Project
Monday, March 12, 2007

Trying something a little new this week.

We have quite the range of personalities on this blog. I don't think any of us are the same when it comes to politics, religion, etc. So, I'm opening up some dialogue. I figure it'll amuse the snot out of some readers, and (most especially) us. Plus, it'll give you a chance to get to know us. For better or worse.


So this week, I'm opening things up with a link. You really should be 18+ to take a look.
Go ahead, click here. It'll open in a new screen, and you can see what we're talking about. You can even keep it open while we're talking, which is cool.

In short, the link goes to The century project, where a photographer has taken photos of women of different ages, completely nude. The first shot is a very brutal shot of a baby's head crowning during delivery, which astonished me when I first saw it. (I've been through childbirth three times, however, and that photo hit me with an emotional impact as much as the shock--it really wasn't what I'd expected.)

I'm opening up this post for the rest of the Shades to add their thoughts, but hope some readers will weigh in in the comments section. From now on, I'll be by on Mondays to post the 'Topic of the Week.'

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts, and I'll be back to chime in with more of my own.

Dayna Hart


Okay, my weigh-in on this. First I thought...ewwwww...I so would not let someone take a picture of that angle. Which, yes, is totally juvenile. You wanted the real Shades here, right?

The second thought I had was: this is beautiful. What an inspired idea. I love that it's normal looking people, short, fat, skinny, floppy, wrinkled, stretched out. Imperfect. Which really just made the whole project, well, perfect.

I was also like. Oh. Hell. No. would anyone get a shot of my naked breastables at ANY age after like 3. Baby Crystal was a porker too. But then I thought, you are some seriously BRAVE women. Rock on, twisted sisters!

Crystal Jordan



There were two of those photographs that got my attention. The first was the woman who lost a breast to cancer. The tattoo!!! Awesome!!! That's how I want to be in the face of disease or tragedy.
The second was the big woman who resembled one of the statues of early man's goddesses. Having been fat all my life, I viewed that picture with a biased eye. However, I realized that it WAS beautiful.
The stories behind the pictures were fascinating. As the 94 year old said "Some picture, Kid." LOL.
Thanks for showing these, Dayna.




Oh, but I'm not done with you, folks ;) A recent book review (here) spurred on controversy because one of the photos chosen to accompany the review was that of a 12 year old girl. Fully nude.

Lead to letters to the editor. One of which noted: “A 12-year-old is not old enough to make a decision about that kind of thing,” Cumpson, a local resident offended by the photo’s publication. “If [the women] want to do it, that’s fine, but as far as a child goes, that’s totally unreasonable.”
(The full story, including the quoted comment can be found at "Picture Stirs Debate", Kingston Whig Standard, Feb. 23rd.) *


The photo in question is here, in fact with the accompanying story:

"And as for publishing a naked photo of a young girl, the girl herself has something to say about that. The picture of Nora was taken when she was twelve. Four years earlier, Nora almost lost her family and everything she knew. “My mother was charged with child pornography for taking pictures of me in the bathtub when I was 8 years old,” she writes. “The prosacuter [sic] said that she had committed a crime.” But for Nora, her anguish didn’t arise from the photos her mother took, but from the effects of the criminal proceedings on her family. “My worst memory of the case was one morning when I was eating breakfast and we got a phone call, and my mother answered, hung up, and started sobbing. ‘I can’t take it anymore,’ was what she said.” Nora writes that she wanted to be in The Century Project to get her story out to the world. “I want people to see how stupid it was for my mother and many others to be prosecuted. Do I look abused to you? Or do I look like a happy child with wonderful parents[?]”
(From Women through the ages; Bodies and Souls challenges conventional images of women A review by Renée Stephen, (c) Renee Stephen, for the Independent Voice)

(I, myself, have to wonder if the person who had such issue with the photo read Nora's words)

Both the reviewer and the publisher replied . The very next day, in fact. (click the links for the full versions rather than just my summary ;) )

*note: Although that was the actual headline, the weblink which lead my husband to this controversy was (from memory, so not quite accurate): Nude photos of 12 year old girl spurs controversy about book.

So, what do you think? Is this book pornographic? Is my disclaimer at the top, that you should only click if you're 18 or older valid? Or a byproduct of puritanical morals gone amok?


Interesting. I don't see this image as child pornography, and I hate to say it, almost every parent on this planet has some picture of thier own child doing something silly in the bathtub, myself included. As well as mashed food in the hair, and who knows what all else I have to blackmail... er... embarrass... um.. Well, to reflect on at a later time in our lives.

While looking at the whole collection, and the women and girls who are in it, I assumed (yes, I know what that means) that the legal ramifications for their participation were met, especially the underage photos. As a collection, this doesn't come across to me as pornography in the least.

I do think the 18+ disclaimer is appropriate, simply becuase of the nudity factor, yet I wouldn't be suprised if the fact that it's art would hold less weight in general concensus. I wouldn't call any of it pornography. It's not done with any kind of sexual undertone, the women are completely natural in pose, expression, and environment. The simple fact of nakedness does not automatically decry pornography, not to my mind.




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24 Comments:

Blogger Sela Carsen said...

They were beautiful! Some shocking, some painful, but mostly joyous!

11:12 AM  
Blogger Diana Castilleja said...

That was incredible. Some were shocking, true, but I hope as I age, I can have that kind of an image about myself. That I am worthy.

11:22 AM  
Blogger Diana Castilleja said...

I went through and perused them again. There were some really interesting photos. The cancer survivor among them.

I've seen photos of women who have had masectomies and then covered the scars with tattoos. I had read, online I think, that even though one woman was breastless due to a double masectomy, she was still fined by the local police for being topless. I felt that was rather hypocritical.

The whole purpose of the top laws are to cover the breasts from view. She had none. How did the law apply to her? It was interesting. I wish I could remember where I had seen it.

11:33 AM  
Blogger Crystal Jordan said...

Exactly. That is some awesome stuff right there. Scary, but awesome.

11:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you for sharing this Dayna. I think this is an incredible journey to witness. TO be so bold and proud of your body. Some of them may not have been but even still, they must have been brave to allow the photos.

11:53 AM  
Blogger Crystal Jordan said...

That is some courage on film right there. For all of those women. Really cool!

1:16 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Oh my, mixed reactions from over here!
I always find it rather shocking that real naked women are so very unlike the naked women I see in films and adverts. I know that's a rather facile thing to say, but more and more I find that the differences are so huge it's like looking at different species. Which is clearly wrong--both factually and surely, morally. A lot of those women looked ugly to me, and that's a dreadful thing because they're not ugly, they're just not made-up, carefully lit and Photoshopped into perfection.
Yet another argument for naturism? Just for the opportunity to see real nakedness--it must have a healthy effect.

1:18 PM  
Blogger Diana Castilleja said...

I know what you mean Immi. It's so realistic that it "can't" be right. It's not touched by Hollywood, they aren't a size two naturally, so how can they BE beautiful?

While several of them were physically attractive in an abstract notion of what natural art could be construed as, most were just pictures of braveray and belief in themselves that as women, of any age, distinction, race, color or weight, they have a right to exist.

I think that's what most of us forget with the glamour edged photos and movies we are raised on, and taught to accept as the bottom line norm. That if we don't fill that mold, we are NOT right and must correct it or live in shame our entire lives.

I say "Piss on them!" :D

<< Is a size 18 and hasn't seen less than a 14 since the 8th grade.

1:54 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

What distresses me about my own attitude (which of course is shaped by popular culture), is that I can see beauty in different sizes--very thin, very muscular, very curvy, very large. But at the same time, in my head, the 'ideal woman', no matter her size, doesn't bounce or wobble. Which is crazy, because when you watch female athletes, who are surely at the peak of physical health, even their thighs wobble when they run! And (whisper it so no one hears) my body definitely bounces and wobbles and it's not going to stop doing so, so really I need to change my way of thinking!
Hm, couldn't you have chosen a less emotive topic, guys? ;-)

3:35 PM  
Blogger Crystal Jordan said...

Dayna? Not pick an emotive topic? Nah. What fun would that be for her?

*Is a 24 and hasn't seen a 14 since middle school. Ah, well!*

5:52 PM  
Blogger Natasha Moore said...

Wow, Dayna, that's really something. I think it's great to show real women, like those who live next door to us, who we pass on the street.

The one that really struck me was the woman in the wheelchair who was able to see herself in a new way and go on to accomplish more than she thought possible.

5:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow. What more can I say...wow.

8:52 PM  
Blogger Dayna_Hart said...

Y'know, Immi, that's the thing that caught me, too. The very old woman at the end of the book...I found myself thinking "oh dear, no!" Sometimes I think being confronted with ideas we didn't know we held is the most terrifying experience. And humbling.

My favorite photo? Honestly, the one of the baby's head crowning. It completely shocked me, but I'm a mom...the memories it brought up were incredible. And realising our bodies were designed to do that is incredible..

The story that got me? The 17 year old. Every time I read the story beside her photo, I feel emotionally eviscerated.

9:19 PM  
Blogger Sara Thacker said...

They were all beautiful in their own way. It is sad that popular culture has women thinking that they aren't beautiful unless they look like the runway models or the latest TV starlet. Being convinced of our beauty is almost impossible in the face of constant TV ads, sexed up Movies, and grocery story checkout lines. For me, the persons attitude reflects the true beauty, not what their body looks like.

4:51 AM  
Blogger Jennifer McKenzie said...

I love the picture of the photographer's mother. Something about the way it was described gave me the clue about the deep emotional connection.
I loved the attitude shown in these pictures.
It was so awesome.

6:04 AM  
Blogger Eden Bradley-Eve Berlin said...

I think this is beautiful! I love that these photos are so real. I don't feel at all shocked by it-just a bit overwhelmed.

9:48 AM  
Blogger Diana Castilleja said...

I think the story of Else, his mother was one of the most touching.

And I did have the same reacton seeing the 94 year old woman. But was more "I do NOT want to know this soon how I'll look at THAT age!"

Nature is not perfect. Believing we should fit that "perfect" mold is unrealistic.

I recently saw a TV special which had Cher as an example of aging. She hasn't. She's had almost yearly surgeries to look as young as she did at 25. They did an 'aging profile' on her. Sadly, it wasn't pretty, for a singer. For anyone not in Hollywood, it was not shocking in the least. It was Normal.

Why is that so hard to live with? Why is it such a sin to age and live normally? And why is it drilled into everyday people that not being BEAUTIFUL is much more of sin?

I think these photos have a lot to say about that.

10:24 AM  
Blogger Crystal Jordan said...

Sara: I absolutely agree that all of these women are remarkably beautiful.

Eden: Exactly!

11:29 AM  
Blogger Tempest Knight said...

Oh-oh... the firewalls at work are censoring the website. Hmm... I'll try something else...

Okay, I got in. Wow! What an interesting study about women. I'll have to email this to my ex-bf. He's a photographer so he's going to love it.

12:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I loved this. The cancer patient in particular. Those scars mean that she endured. She has survived and is clearly not devastated by the loss of a breast.

I am a size 26, I have nver been anything but plus sized. I haven't worn anything without the little "W" on the tag since I was 13. I can say without a doubt that I have less body image issues than my skinny friends. And so what. There is one man in this world who has to find me attractive, and believe me he does.

We are all beautiful strong women.

1:44 PM  
Blogger Loribelle Hunt said...

Very interesting! I thought they were beautiful, but that may be the photographer in me. ;)

Diana, I think we had similar reactions to the 94yo. Mine was along the lines, omg are my boobs gonna do that!? I don't need to know that yet! Lol.

An awesome set of pics tho. I didn't think any were remotely pornorgraphic.

2:39 PM  
Blogger Writer's Widower said...

I think its time for another twist in the ol' thought process.
What do you think of the fact that 12 years have been allowed to view the actual exhibit?

The original complaint that brought this 'art exhibit' into the local media was the "12 year old nude". Reading the reactions posted here by *choke* mature, responsible adults *choke* most had a real "shock and awe" experience. Reading through reviews and comments, its interesting to see about the 12 year olds being taken to the exhibit. The project toured prior to the book being published, and people of all ages have viewed the photos and read the stories. Some of the young women in the book offered to pose based on what they saw and learned from the exhibit.

I asked the question so its only fair I answer it to. I think its a great thing. The examples on the web site offer 14 examples of good role models, the book and exhibit offering plenty more. Let's face it, ET would offer us the likes of Brittany, Simpson, Olsen twins, Lohan, shall I continue...?

And back to the question of is it right to have a nude 12 year old included? Yes. It lays the reminder of our innocence, reminding us what life was like until we learned we are not invincible or immortal.

*are you pondering what I am pondering?*

-for these people so intent on protecting the youth... why are they not in the face of the convenience stores that have Playboy, Hustler and the like only rows above the Gamer, Motorcycle, and youth pop culture magazines?

7:05 PM  
Blogger Crystal Jordan said...

I love how hypocritical that is. 12 year olds can see the exhibit, but not be in it. And art is pornography, but nude magazines are just peachy keen. *ARGH* My head's gonna blow off.

7:27 AM  
Blogger Diana Castilleja said...

It's a good point WW. I don't know how it works elsewhere but down here, those types of magazines are sold from behind the counter in most cases. I haven't been to every stand in the state, but the few I have visited, those mags are either by request or from behind the counter.

The Youth Mags on the other hand are out front, and lie every day about what is right and normal for each generation.

Thank God I never read them! At that age, the only magazine I subscribed to was Glamour. I honestly couldn't tell you if I ever actually read it though.

9:54 AM  

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